trying2fly
Finally able to fly in high winds 20+Mph thanx to all suggestions from the forum to tame my MIG. It stabilizes well in turns and resists flipping over coming out of downwind turns. Winglets and KF2 airfoil on Mig29V1 015.JPG  Winglets and KF2 airfoil on Mig29V1 028.JPG 
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JettaManDan
great mods...your situation with the wind means you have to try different stuff to make your flying easier...looks good!
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trying2fly
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great mods...your situation with the wind means you have to try different stuff to make your flying easier...looks good!

Thank you Dan, and to Bogusbandit plus Wildthing. You guys are tops and are very encouraging to beginners like me. This Mig thrills me everytime I take it up. Your imagination is the only limit to what this plane can do..! I can't manage to remember all that have helped with their suggestions. Such a fun and friendly forum!!
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Thank you Dan, and to Bogusbandit plus Wildthing. You guys are tops and are very encouraging to beginners like me. This Mig thrills me everytime I take it up. Your imagination is the only limit to what this plane can do..! I can't manage to remember all that have helped with their suggestions. Such a fun and friendly forum!!

So,I guess after adding the winglets you noticed a difference in the handling then ?
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trying2fly
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So,I guess after adding the winglets you noticed a difference in the handling then ?

Yes...especially when i lose it in the very high winds. It had a tendency with the winglets to return to level flight if you let the controls go temporarily . The self-righting.....that is to say..the plane returning to a level attitude was significant over no tips at all. It did not right itself like my Hawk Sky but was a vast improvement. It made for smoother landings in a serious bucking crosswind. I noticed no loss in speed. I am not really able to assess the aerobatic effects yet as I am such a sorry beginner that I am happy just looping and rolling in this wind. This area is one of the top 10 daily average winds speeds in the nation(12.2 MPH) with usual daily gusts of 30-40 MPH. After 10:30 AM speeds rarely drop below 25 until around 8:00 PM. Needless to say I usually have to land at 1/3 open throttle. haha It is still the most fun hobby I can think of!!!!! I just have to learn to fly !! chas
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Finally able to fly in high winds 20+Mph thanx to all suggestions from the forum to tame my MIG. It stabilizes well in turns and resists flipping over coming out of downwind turns. [ATTACH=full]51172[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]51173[/ATTACH]

Was the winglets tips you use? Was there any suggestion to use a gyro on the elevons only? It could be a good idea to experiment with to see how well it does in your area of frequent high winds and just happy doing just basic loops and rolls.
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Was the winglets tips you use? Was there any suggestion to use a gyro on the elevons only? It could be a good idea to experiment with to see how well it does in your area of frequent high winds and just happy doing just basic loops and rolls.

Yes, you are right!! I looked for gyros to do this and the ones I looked at were super expensive. I really did not know enough about them to shop them. They all looked like they had multiple axis hook ups and I really did not know how to hook one up. Do you have any idea of a cheap and inexpensive gyro that would work on my elevons. I was referred once or twice to sites that no longer carried a 2 axis gyro? Some very educated experienced flyers on the forum referred me here and there and I guess I got lost in it all. If you can lead me to a reasonably priced one you think would work I would thank you indeed!! chas Ps....Esky, Werner, and GyroInc are no longer offering those simple gyros. Will a 4 axis gyro work by hooking only 2 points on it(rt/left and u/d)? thanx Ohhh by the way I have only a simple 4 channel Dynam radio transmitter and an on board mixer. A very very simple set up. My radio has no exponential contols?
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Yes, you are right!! I looked for gyros to do this and the ones I looked at were super expensive. I really did not know enough about them to shop them. They all looked like they had multiple axis hook ups and I really did not know how to hook one up. Do you have any idea of a cheap and inexpensive gyro that would work on my elevons. I was referred once or twice to sites that no longer carried a 2 axis gyro? Some very educated experienced flyers on the forum referred me here and there and I guess I got lost in it all. If you can lead me to a reasonably priced one you think would work I would thank you indeed!! chas Ps....Esky, Werner, and GyroInc are no longer offering those simple gyros. Will a 4 axis gyro work by hooking only 2 points on it(rt/left and u/d)? thanx Ohhh by the way I have only a simple 4 channel Dynam radio transmitter and an on board mixer. A very very simple set up. My radio has no exponential contols?

Okay, now why would you put in a. gyro if your winglets have worked so well toward the
handling in the wind ? Sure, there are a lot of guys that will say to install a gyro, but it will
eat some of your battery too. Maybe make the winglets above and below the wing, like a lot of the aerobatic planes, or just a little bigger ? I'm sure you've seen them on the ends of the wings ? I'm in the build stage on a Su35v5, and I showed a friend the winglets and
he said it won't fly.. I told him if it didn't, I'd just cut them off. You have proved to a lot of folks that adding them helped.. Mine have the same profile as the vert stabs, only proportionately smaller.. Mother Nature has turned up the heat here in NE Ohio, so with record high temperatures it's tough to work in the sun porch these days. No guys, no room in the house.. Also the "stinger" between the elevons is not split, it retains its one piece look and the elevons are on either side of it. Structural integrity is maintained with a short fin above and below it. I'm sure Dave and Shannon try all kinds of mods too, but like to offer
the most scale looking aircraft they can.. I wish I had a camera to put the maiden flight on
here. I guess all I would be able to offer is commentary..
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Okay, now why would you put in a. gyro if your winglets have worked so well toward the
handling in the wind ? Sure, there are a lot of guys that will say to install a gyro, but it will
eat some of your battery too. Maybe make the winglets above and below the wing, like a lot of the aerobatic planes, or just a little bigger ? I'm sure you've seen them on the ends of the wings ? I'm in the build stage on a Su35v5, and I showed a friend the winglets and
he said it won't fly.. I told him if it didn't, I'd just cut them off. You have proved to a lot of folks that adding them helped.. Mine have the same profile as the vert stabs, only proportionately smaller.. Mother Nature has turned up the heat here in NE Ohio, so with record high temperatures it's tough to work in the sun porch these days. No guys, no room in the house.. Also the "stinger" between the elevons is not split, it retains its one piece look and the elevons are on either side of it. Structural integrity is maintained with a short fin above and below it. I'm sure Dave and Shannon try all kinds of mods too, but like to offer
the most scale looking aircraft they can.. I wish I had a camera to put the maiden flight on
here. I guess all I would be able to offer is commentary..

It sounds like you have some pretty clever approaches with your Su35V5. I will assure you it will fly. You have excellent ideas and I would love to know how they turn out. The only reason I was still interested in gyros is that any additional stabilization I could get without seriously affecting performance would be desirable. I have researched this and some very good flyers have said that they abandoned the gyros because of this loss of performance ...I just wanted to see for myself. I think if they could be incorporated with elevons if it cold be turned down at minimal gain, it might be of value. I tried larger winglets and they seemed to stabilize faster and better but were sort of "floaty" at low speeds. These winglets I am using now are just perfect for me. Again..your mention of why gyros is a good question only answered in the fact that I am trying everything I can think of to fly in 25-30 MPH winds such as we have here in far far West Texas. The winglet idea was born in my mind in an attempt to recover flying through the usual maze of dust devils born out of winds, extreme heat, and flat open desert. I feel for you also with your temps in Ohio and as I sit here looking at 106 degrees outside. Please let me know how your build goes as I am trying to learn. By the way, try to ck out Bogusbandit, Jettamandan, and Wildthing. They are wonderful sources of answers to any and everything you might want to ask. chas
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Yes, you are right!! I looked for gyros to do this and the ones I looked at were super expensive. I really did not know enough about them to shop them. They all looked like they had multiple axis hook ups and I really did not know how to hook one up. Do you have any idea of a cheap and inexpensive gyro that would work on my elevons. I was referred once or twice to sites that no longer carried a 2 axis gyro? Some very educated experienced flyers on the forum referred me here and there and I guess I got lost in it all. If you can lead me to a reasonably priced one you think would work I would thank you indeed!! chas Ps....Esky, Werner, and GyroInc are no longer offering those simple gyros. Will a 4 axis gyro work by hooking only 2 points on it(rt/left and u/d)? thanx Ohhh by the way I have only a simple 4 channel Dynam radio transmitter and an on board mixer. A very very simple set up. My radio has no exponential contols?


I found some here at nitroplanes site ( http://www.nitroplanes.com/gyro2.html ) , rcplanet ( https://www.rcplanet.com/?category=1#/query_gyro/page_all/index_all_en ), horizon hobbies ( https://www.horizonhobby.com/SearchDisplay?searchTerm=gyros&categoryId=14001&storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&pageSize=40&beginIndex=0&sType=SimpleSearch&resultCatEntryType=2&searchTermScope=2&showResultsPage=true&searchSource=Q&pageView= ), gratefulgoose site ( https://us.gratefulgoose.com/search?baa=OT&ort=Gyro-Airplane-Sale&q=Gyro-Airplane&utm_campaign=ak_GG_US_02_240815_G_3&utm_content=Gyro+Airplane&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=bing&utm_term=%2BGyro+%2BAirplane ). This is just a few links I've found by doing an internet search.

You do not have to use all the available axis controls. You can activate and use only one of the axis on the multi ones. When you do install and set it up, do it where it is indoors (say a big indoor sporting event stadium/bowl) and start by trimming your model normally (gyro off mode). Then after you trimmed it normally, turn the adjustment knobs from neutral to barely, to low, to mid-range, to high (full throws/all out). Check out some of the site's yourube channel videos where they talk about how to adjust/use gyros.

You can learn how to set gyros up by researching online and/or asking others who do use them.

And Dynam makes their radios well. ^_=

And one more piece of info: heavy (more overall weight) your plane has does better in wind for it penetrates the wind more.

My suggestions/ideas are more on stability than on performance (for if you can't fly, does not matter how fast and agile it is). ^_^ But like anything, it's trail and error testing to see what works for ya and what does not. ^_=
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I found some here at nitroplanes site ( http://www.nitroplanes.com/gyro2.html ) , rcplanet ( https://www.rcplanet.com/?category=1#/query_gyro/page_all/index_all_en ), horizon hobbies ( https://www.horizonhobby.com/SearchDisplay?searchTerm=gyros&categoryId=14001&storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&pageSize=40&beginIndex=0&sType=SimpleSearch&resultCatEntryType=2&searchTermScope=2&showResultsPage=true&searchSource=Q&pageView= ), gratefulgoose site ( https://us.gratefulgoose.com/search?baa=OT&ort=Gyro-Airplane-Sale&q=Gyro-Airplane&utm_campaign=ak_GG_US_02_240815_G_3&utm_content=Gyro+Airplane&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=bing&utm_term=%2BGyro+%2BAirplane ). This is just a few links I've found by doing an internet search.

You do not have to use all the available axis controls. You can activate and use only one of the axis on the multi ones. When you do install and set it up, do it where it is indoors (say a big indoor sporting event stadium/bowl) and start by trimming your model normally (gyro off mode). Then after you trimmed it normally, turn the adjustment knobs from neutral to barely, to low, to mid-range, to high (full throws/all out). Check out some of the site's yourube channel videos where they talk about how to adjust/use gyros.

You can learn how to set gyros up by researching online and/or asking others who do use them.

And Dynam makes their radios well. ^_=

And one more piece of info: heavy (more overall weight) your plane has does better in wind for it penetrates the wind more.

My suggestions/ideas are more on stability than on performance (for if you can't fly, does not matter how fast and agile it is). ^_^ But like anything, it's trail and error testing to see what works for ya and what does not. ^_=

Wow...you did a lot of work for me!!I just did not know where to look. Thank you so much!!! One thing for certain and right away, I am eager to try a 2200 mah just for the added wt and see how it goes. Thank you for letting me know about how to go about gradually adjusting the gain and moreover I need to pick a place like you suggested. It will be quite a drive but I think I know where. I will let you know how this turns out but again thanx!! chas
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Wow...you did a lot of work for me!!I just did not know where to look. Thank you so much!!! One thing for certain and right away, I am eager to try a 2200 mah just for the added wt and see how it goes. Thank you for letting me know about how to go about gradually adjusting the gain and moreover I need to pick a place like you suggested. It will be quite a drive but I think I know where. I will let you know how this turns out but again thanx!! chas

Your welcome and thank you for saying that, but it's just simple to me (though I'm a thinker and just like helping someone out). ^_^
Well, any place where there is no wind would do. If you want to just fly anything indoors, try scaling your model plans down. All you need to do is just do the figuring on the modified plans and the parts you need for it.
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Wow...you did a lot of work for me!!I just did not know where to look. Thank you so much!!! One thing for certain and right away, I am eager to try a 2200 mah just for the added wt and see how it goes. Thank you for letting me know about how to go about gradually adjusting the gain and moreover I need to pick a place like you suggested. It will be quite a drive but I think I know where. I will let you know how this turns out but again thanx!! chas

Oh, also watch this person's channel on what they do to their models they sale ( https://www.youtube.com/user/Killerplanes ). ^_=
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