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Wildthing
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Speaking of clubs and costs... Some areas require membership in club to fly at fields. Park flying not allowed. That's the biggest reason I don't fly anymore.

I think most clubs to use their facility would want you to be a member, I think that would only be fair. Here not only do you need a club membership you also are required to have a MAAC membership too.
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Lgel
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Speaking of clubs and costs... Some areas require membership in club to fly at fields. Park flying not allowed. That's the biggest reason I don't fly anymore.

Be sure to check the fine print of your insurance before dismissing RC clubs on cost alone. Many don't cover flying at unauthorized fields.

A single foamie (or drone) flying close to a road can be held for responsible of a road crash (how may vids in you tube show flying dangerously close to a road). A skilled lawyer can make you responsible for a lorry crash killing several persons and ruin your life.

Cheers.
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csitas
Wild, I think the reason you have to also join the MAAC is --insurance. Here in the states it's the AMA. Might even be same outfit ,just different pockets. As Lgel says is all to true. Worst part is they don't even have to be skilled. You know ,this club thing is kinda like having a resturant cook your own steak and you bitch about them charging you. We have to face life now days. There is no free rides left any more. There are high costs in everything.
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Flybyknight22
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Be sure to check the fine print of your insurance before dismissing RC clubs on cost alone. Many don't cover flying at unauthorized fields.

A single foamie (or drone) flying close to a road can be held for responsible of a road crash (how may vids in you tube show flying dangerously close to a road). A skilled lawyer can make you responsible for a lorry crash killing several persons and ruin your life.

Cheers.

The AMA here in the United States of America provides insurance for members. It does not pay however if you are flying Stupid.
And on the 8th day God said: "Go NAVY",.. and it was good! Pray like everything depends on God. Prepare like everything depends on you.
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csitas
I agree Knight, I got intoa scrable over on rcg with a young guy flying a quad up and down his street where he lives . He called me all sorts of stuff untill the rest of the older guys heard it. He was plain dangerous and thats all there is to it. Wonder what it would feel like with a quad doing 60 or 70 mph in your face?
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Flybyknight22
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I agree Knight, I got intoa scrable over on rcg with a young guy flying a quad up and down his street where he lives . He called me all sorts of stuff untill the rest of the older guys heard it. He was plain dangerous and thats all there is to it. Wonder what it would feel like with a quad doing 60 or 70 mph in your face?

Yup,

Sorry you had this issue.
It seems to be happening more and more.

People flying stupid without any regard for other people or their property has caused national attention (if not world wide) and the FAA to step in nearly ending hobby flying as we know it.

The AMA played a big part in helping to mitigate the FAA's over reach, for now anyway.

Many first time flyers with quads and kids don't seem to respect much of anything but there are some who do.

A guy I know in his 50s who never flew anything before lives out in the rural community and bought a large quad and he started asking me questions.

He didn't know he had to register or anything about the airport limitations imposed on these larger quads etc.

He got himself squared away quickly after finding out what he needed to do and thanked me for making him aware but he is probably an exception.

Maybe a large number of these "millennials", including some "Quad Daddy's", that choose not to respect people's property and privacy need a "Safe Space" where they can fly as Stupid as much as they want, hopefully without bothering anybody.
And on the 8th day God said: "Go NAVY",.. and it was good! Pray like everything depends on God. Prepare like everything depends on you.
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SukhoiLover
Hope this doesn't hijack the thread, but . . .

I think another problem with new pilots who do not know what they can/cannot and should/should not do is their point of purchase. A lot of places where you can buy these flying machines offer zero support or information. If you buy from a reputable hobby shop you're more likely to get some useful information. If you buy from a box store it is less likely because they're less likely to have someone on staff who is aware of the requirements--legal, moral, ethical or logical.

Running the risk of getting flamed--on line or in person--it is up to us enthusiasts to spread our knowledge and stewardship of our hobby to those who do not know. Assume they want to know more, be better. If not, well, the Irish say this:

"May those who love us, love us, and those who don't, may God turn their hearts, and if He doesn't turn their hearts, may He turn their ankles so we'll know them by their limping."

BTW, once you buy the electronics (and I mean inexpensive ones--$35 transmitters, $6 receivers, $3 9-gram servos, etc.) you can get a simple DTFB airplane into the air for <$120 and, if you crash it but can salvage all the electronics, you can get back into the air for a few dollars.

Fly safely,

SL
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Flybyknight22
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Hope this doesn't hijack the thread, but . . .

I think another problem with new pilots who do not know what they can/cannot and should/should not do is their point of purchase. A lot of places where you can buy these flying machines offer zero support or information. If you buy from a reputable hobby shop you're more likely to get some useful information. If you buy from a box store it is less likely because they're less likely to have someone on staff who is aware of the requirements--legal, moral, ethical or logical.

Running the risk of getting flamed--on line or in person--it is up to us enthusiasts to spread our knowledge and stewardship of our hobby to those who do not know. Assume they want to know more, be better. If not, well, the Irish say this:

"May those who love us, love us, and those who don't, may God turn their hearts, and if He doesn't turn their hearts, may He turn their ankles so we'll know them by their limping."

BTW, once you buy the electronics (and I mean inexpensive ones--$35 transmitters, $6 receivers, $3 9-gram servos, etc.) you can get a simple DTFB airplane into the air for <$120 and, if you crash it but can salvage all the electronics, you can get back into the air for a few dollars.

Fly safely,

SL

I agree,

"Attitude and altitude is everything".

"If it isn't fun, you're done".

That is the single most important factor in the cost of ownership into the RC arena and many of us often loose sight of that fact.

Giving opinions to a newcomer about how great your 10-channel programmable radio is and singing the praises of a more advanced twin motor scratch build design is useless to the brand new member who is simply interested in getting into the air as easily and cheaply as possible,.. TO HAVE FUN!

Because of some of these factors and others, RC flying/scratch building can be a difficult sport to grow.

There are many other distractions vying for young folks time. Things like social media, smart phones, video games and hormones just to name a few.

When a new RC interested young person (or older one for that matter) encounters, negative, snobbish, know it all attitudes, this often kills a newcomers enthusiasm almost immediately and they quickly bail out.

Now Faced with the prospects of essentially being on their own, maybe they buy a cheap quad or two and their pretty much done.

Many RC Clubs are loosing membership and there is dwindling participation from those that are members similar to what we see sometimes even on this forum.

A few clubs are thriving and there are many reasons for this but the most important one is making it FUN. If the newcomer is afraid of being "talked down to or being flamed", they are done.

If you are in business to make money, then that becomes the priority and fun can possibly begin to take a back seat. The fine line between fun and making money can be a difficult balancing act especially when margins are thin.

I have heard comments even on this forum that we are often too helpful to newcomers of our hobby.

This perhaps, suggests that products be purchased by the newcomers to help their learning curve into the sport versus members overly helping these new folks getting into the air as quickly and as successfully as possible to have,... you guessed it, FUN!

While training material can be helpful these extra purchases add another layer to their cost of sport/hobby entry and can increase the quit factor if it is felt that it's a requirement to have any success.

If the "Primary Leadership" of an RC club or forum and its members are not "ACTIVELY INVOLVED" in making things fun, helpful and are not enthusiastically encouraging, recruiting and supporting newcomers, then the sport in that particular area dies, while the other venues that do this, thrive.
And on the 8th day God said: "Go NAVY",.. and it was good! Pray like everything depends on God. Prepare like everything depends on you.
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