solentlife
Having delved through many threads and stories - I for long time have wanted to build a scale-like Vulcan .... Having recently joined this Forum and found it a very friendly and good place - think it time to sort out my Vulcan.

I have various 3-views and it seems that the ratio is about 34 to 30 wing vs fuselage dimensions.

The Mosquito build has given me some ideas to work on .. such as the wing could be cut as a plan form and then a tapered foam spar with CF used to create the intakes and rise to fuselage that is so characteristic of the Vulcan. Being such a large wing - I don't think creased and folded top sheet is necessary - easy curving can do that.

Fuselage ends tab-joined into the wing and then half formers to complete the shape.

Main structure in 6mm Depron of course but then 3mm used to sheet the fuselage sections. 

Power plants ? With those jet nozzles so close to the fuselage in the real aircraft - it may be necessary to adjust those outward slightly to get a reasonable size prop on. I envisage only one motor / prop each side - same as I did with my TU144. There I used 2 Floaterjet motors (1950kv) with 5x5 APC props on twin 3S LiPo. It proved very successful and powerful. I may consider the 2350kv Mongoose motors which can take 4S if needed.

Size ? I am thinking in the 36 - 40" span area ... even with that size - it will be one hell of a wing !! Once I start fleshing out on Depron - I will probably revise the size to suit.

Please feel free to add any ideas / input you feel could help ... 

I attach a couple of views I have ..           2000px-Avro_Vulcan_B_Mk_2.svg.png  avrovulcanl+k.jpg  hawker_vulcan.gif  Vulcan camo.jpg 

Nigel
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Sterling101
I'm quite partial to a Vulcan myself.... IMG_20180527_184305.jpg 
Whoever said nothing is impossible had obviously never tried slamming a revolving door...
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solentlife
I read all the thread and I applaud the build and quality ... but twin 70mm EDF's is outside my design idea. My Concorde had twin 50mm's and on 4S is really good. But the pod size is a dead giveaway being too big. 

I have consdered whether 30mm or 40mm might work - but then it will still need to be bigger than I plan to keep the EDF pods in size.

Prop in slot was considered ... maybe .. the wing is large enough to suffer the weakened centre section

Twin props at back end allow for smaller motor pods.
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solentlife
Having now printed out a plan from my archive based on ~36" ... I get following stats :

Fuz length 750mm
Wingspan 860mm
Max chord 440mm
Tip chord 100mm inside of curved 
Max fuz depth 70mm
Max fuz width 70mm
Fin height 120mm

This puts a basic outline well within a single Depron sheet of 1200 x 800mm. It will need a second sheet to provide the top sheet to the wing.... and this will be slightly greater chord to allow for the form curvature. The second sheet can provide both spars + an additional filler spar where ailerons are cut out. The spare of both sheets if carefully cut can provide all of the bulkheads etc.
The wing spar being at max 65mm less sheeting of 2x 6mm means I can get away with a 50mm spar height and 12mm thick with CF rod embedded.

Forgive me if I use this as a "jotting board" of thoughts. 

The fuselage and wing can be allowed as I did with Concorde and TU144 be combined for the bottom shape and form. It does mean though - the semi-symmetrical real form will not be copied and wing will be flat bottomed. The nose and tail parts cut longer and without taper so when sides are brought in - the ends can be curved up and then cut back to match. As with the Mossie and Lanc - the nose and tail can be squared to make construction more easy. (My Concorde and TU144 once in the air look the part).

That is sure one BIG wing for what is a small scale model ! The factors dictating size - is to have model as one piece .... and to be powered by smallish pusher props where jet exhausts are.

I may if I get really carried away see about forming a 3d nose for it ... 

Pitch in anyone if any ideas / thoughts ... 
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bogusbandit56
solentlife wrote:
Having now printed out a plan from my archive based on ~36" ... I get following stats :

Fuz length 750mm
Wingspan 860mm
Max chord 440mm
Tip chord 100mm inside of curved 
Max fuz depth 70mm
Max fuz width 70mm
Fin height 120mm

This puts a basic outline well within a single Depron sheet of 1200 x 800mm. It will need a second sheet to provide the top sheet to the wing.... and this will be slightly greater chord to allow for the form curvature. The second sheet can provide both spars + an additional filler spar where ailerons are cut out. The spare of both sheets if carefully cut can provide all of the bulkheads etc.
The wing spar being at max 65mm less sheeting of 2x 6mm means I can get away with a 50mm spar height and 12mm thick with CF rod embedded.

Forgive me if I use this as a "jotting board" of thoughts. 

The fuselage and wing can be allowed as I did with Concorde and TU144 be combined for the bottom shape and form. It does mean though - the semi-symmetrical real form will not be copied and wing will be flat bottomed. The nose and tail parts cut longer and without taper so when sides are brought in - the ends can be curved up and then cut back to match. As with the Mossie and Lanc - the nose and tail can be squared to make construction more easy. (My Concorde and TU144 once in the air look the part).

That is sure one BIG wing for what is a small scale model ! The factors dictating size - is to have model as one piece .... and to be powered by smallish pusher props where jet exhausts are.

I may if I get really carried away see about forming a 3d nose for it ... 

Pitch in anyone if any ideas / thoughts ... 

With it only being  a 36" wing span may be you could get away with a single 2826 2200 turnigy motor at the back.
It would simplify things and I doubt you will be doing crazy 3D stuff. Or will you?😉
Wot, no Depron?
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jimbosflyin
Seems to fly good as a pusher rear prop.
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bogusbandit56
jimbosflyin wrote:
Seems to fly good as a pusher rear prop.


Blimey Jimbo, that Vulcan flies on the tiny Blue Wonder motor🙂
Wot, no Depron?
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solentlife
Yes - haven't ruled out the old 2200kv on the tail ... I have a couple still in the drawer. And on a 2200 3S - gets a long run. 

I considered a flat plate as Jimbo ... but I'm trying to also get that iconic front end on look with those intakes and fat wing root.

Its still ideas time ... so I am listening and taking it all in.
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jimbosflyin
It shouldn't be to difficult to mock up a score and fold fuse or even laminate 3/4 inch foam together and cut,sand and form your pods and nose.
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Sterling101
I'll dig out the 3D files and send them over - mostly just the nose I did but if I send you the other plans I've got it will help you out a bit I'm sure 🙂
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solentlife
Hi Jimbo ... I am the worlds worst at carving / sanding foam. I always end up with non symmetrical waste of foam !!  I'm slowly putting together Chris Golds 93 inch Lancaster - I modified it to ply formers, pine stringers, hot wire foam decks, depron sides - for fuselage .... tail is folded foam on foam ribs / pine spar .. wing will be again folded foam but with pine and CF spars .... nacelles are like the fuselage. I am avoiding Chris's way of carving blocks !

Hi Sterling ... really appreciated and I hope I can do justice to your files. 

Weather here is awful ... so building time is called for ... 
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solentlife
So nose is printing ... fingers crossed it completes ok. 

A trick for plastic nose cones to give strength but little or no weight - is to pour a mix of PU glue / water in and let it bubble up and cure. Once cured - its easy to gouge out to relieve back so cone can be glued in place.

I know everyone knows this ... PU Glue is Gorilla Glue Generic name ... 
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solentlife
Nose cone scaled 50% ... cropped at rear of cockpit glazing to fit height of printer ... diameter correct to match plan foam construction :

[Vulcan%20nose%201_zpsocbjlxzc]

printing..

[Vulcan%20nose%202_zpshlwvzcci]

Printed ... 

[Vulcan%20nose%203_zps3vtogt9s]

I then adapted a T45 nose cone STL file I have to create a tail cone ... 
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solentlife
Question that's bugging me ... I have various pictures of the later scheme of the Vulcan - once she was chaned to low level duties instead of her original high altitude role. The low level bringing in the camo scheme .. 

Some show her with camo top and grey underside ... others with full camo top and undersides ... was there really two schemes like that or is it artistic licence ?
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bogusbandit56
solentlife wrote:
Question that's bugging me ... I have various pictures of the later scheme of the Vulcan - once she was chaned to low level duties instead of her original high altitude role. The low level bringing in the camo scheme .. 

Some show her with camo top and grey underside ... others with full camo top and undersides ... was there really two schemes like that or is it artistic licence ?

Save yourself the hassle and do it in cold war  Blast white😃Have you seen this Nigel?
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Wot, no Depron?
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