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Jbirky
It was just a Magistrate court, which is for petty crap like traffic & other misdemeanors & code breakers... I doubt anybody would get much jail time if any at all. Certainly nobody on trial there is at risk of getting the death penalty. It is really just an office to extort money from people more than anything though they do have small claims court there, too; which, is actually a good service for the people.

Like I said... that question was crazy. First of all the law cannot require I convict anyone. Not only that jurors have the right to judge the law and the application of the law, too though they usually don't know that. There is a concept of jury nullification, but most people are unaware of that concept. It basically means jurors are NEVER required to convict such as in situations where the law is unjust.

I did not get into any of that with them. I merely pointed out that I was not in juvenile court, so the question is bull****; though, I said it in a politically correct way.
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Jbirky
I doubt they catch everyone in Japan. Also we are not always lenient on sentencing. Really there are 50 states, and each state has its own counties... Each court has slightly different laws & sentencing guidelines.

For example, in California there are stiff penalties for for such things as not registering a gun because they are harsh on Gun Control. We are talking confiscation of your gun & penalties in the hundreds if not thousands of dollars + legal fees. In contrast, they go easy on alcoholics and declare it a medical condition. Generally, people just go to Alcohol Anonymous meetings for example.

In contrast, the state of South Carolina has significantly looser gun control laws and sentencing. You are probably better off being caught having an unregistered handgun in your car than speeding. I would not be surprised if someone convinced of breaking gun control laws either gets a warning or an $80 fine. Now, they have the "Blue Laws"; heck, you can't even get a **** beer at a nice dinner house on Sunday in some counties, you cannot buy anything but beer or wine in non-liquor stores, and you cannot buy any liquor on Sunday. They are INSANE when it comes to alcohol laws and their enforcement. You could be out hundreds of dollars and need a lawyer to avoid jail-time for drinking out on your front porch in the wrong county!


My personal opinion:
Let people drink & have guns... just don't let them drive drunk.

Believe me there are plenty of people without a drinking problem that really do just want to have an enjoyable night out at a nice place on a Sunday and enjoy a beer or a glass of wine with dinner before work the next day!
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I doubt they catch everyone in Japan. Also we are not always lenient on sentencing. Really there are 50 states, and each state has its own counties... Each court has slightly different laws & sentencing guidelines.

For example, in California there are stiff penalties for for such things as not registering a gun because they are harsh on Gun Control. We are talking confiscation of your gun & penalties in the hundreds if not thousands of dollars + legal fees. In contrast, they go easy on alcoholics and declare it a medical condition. Generally, people just go to Alcohol Anonymous meetings for example.

In contrast, the state of South Carolina has significantly looser gun control laws and sentencing. You are probably better off being caught having an unregistered handgun in your car than speeding. I would not be surprised if someone convinced of breaking gun control laws either gets a warning or an $80 fine. Now, they have the "Blue Laws"; heck, you can't even get a **** beer at a nice dinner house on Sunday in some counties, you cannot buy anything but beer or wine in non-liquor stores, and you cannot buy any liquor on Sunday. They are INSANE when it comes to alcohol laws and their enforcement. You could be out hundreds of dollars and need a lawyer to avoid jail-time for drinking out on your front porch in the wrong county!


My personal opinion:
Let people drink & have guns... just don't let them drive drunk.

Believe me there are plenty of people without a drinking problem that really do just want to have an enjoyable night out at a nice place on a Sunday and enjoy a beer or a glass of wine with dinner before work the next day!



Someone ALWAYS accepts responsibility for crimes in Japan. It's just not the person who actually did the crime. This is the way feudal Society works. Everyone answers to someone and if they are not the most important person in the room when something happens they cannot even talk to you even though they might have been the one who say everything happen and the most important person in the room wasn't even there to see anything.

This means that when questioned, truthfully speaking, nothing was seen because the person who is allowed to do the talking really did see nothing and the one who is not allowed to speak as it's not their place in the order of society saw everything so no information can come forward as a result. in fact, the person who's not allowed to speak because he's not the most important person in the room will even be required to leave.

To get a good picture of this (I know it's only a movie but the depiction is relatively accurate) watch "Rising Sun" with Sean Connery and Wesley Snipes.

As far as the gun thing goes. Guns don't kill people. People kill people and they don't need a gun to do it. A gutful of alcohol and a car will work just fine.

As far as drunk driving goes Here's my take:
You get caught over the legal limit, revoke the license for 5 years, require the offender to complete AA courses AND MAINTAIN THEM.
IF: they have an accident over the legal limit: Revoke the license for 5 years, 3 months in the slammer, AA and they have to pay for all damages incurred.
IF: they have an accident causing injury: permanently revoke the license, 1 year in the slammer, AA and they pay for all Damages / Medical costs incurred.
IF: they have any violations under any conditions with a revoked license above then permanently revoke the license and add 6 months in the slammer.
IF: They have an accident causing death, Permanently revoke the license, 5-7 years Voluntary Manslaughter / death consecutive, AA and they need to pay the expenses.

I see nothing wrong with going out and having drinks at dinner and such but people need to learn to be more responsible AFTER they do this. The drinking isn't the problem. The attitude taken after drinking and getting behind the wheel of a moving vehicle is what's criminally negligent. If you want to drink and be stupid, then expect to pay for the "Privilege" to do so in my books.
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kevinm
if im going to have a FEW heres a chart i use,( to a point), theres no way anyone could be legal driving after 6 light beers in 6 hours - (im 300 lbs of solid muscle)
http://www.drunkdrivingdefense.com/general/bac.htm
this ones nuts- says im sober as a judge after 6 beers in 6 hours
http://www.moderation.org/bac/bac_tables.pdf
Michigan cops have a statistic - 1 in 4 cars on the road has jail eleigible driver in it -
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That won't work here. Radar detectors are illegal. You get caught with one, you get fined, the detector is confiscated as evidence, then you get your ticket for your speeding offense and then the cop inspects your vehicle for anything he can find (burnt lights, etc).

Yes, not only radar detector, but also the best metal detector
are also illegal to use.
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squishy
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For example, in California there are stiff penalties for for such things as not registering a gun because they are harsh on Gun Control. We are talking confiscation of your gun & penalties in the hundreds if not thousands of dollars + legal fees. In contrast, they go easy on alcoholics and declare it a medical condition. Generally, people just go to Alcohol Anonymous meetings for example.





I love it...have you even been to california? Or is this just things you learn on the internet? Have you ever known of anyone who was punished for not "registering a gun" in california? They are automatically registered when they are purchased. These conservative lies get richer every day. And why would we be harsh on alcoholics, it's a disease, in California we treat diseases. What does your state do? Put them down? I can't imagine what your opinion would be on those with mental illness..

I know exactly why you were not selected for jury, because you don't understand that some minors actually want to be tried as adults because they gain more constitutional protections during the trial. There's also laws which require minors to be tried as adults for certain offenses, if those laws were on a ballot I am sure you would support them, like those who voted for them.

You were kicked off jury duty because you don't understand the law and would be a poor juror...they couldn't even get a serious answer from you. Now if your goal was to avoid jury duty, good show! Not taking the duty seriously is right up there with pretending to be a racist or showing extreme bias in order to avoid it. You displayed a lack of maturity and a bias, who in their right mind would choose you for a jury?

Personally I welcome the opportunity to serve and I would take it seriously. I have been through a few rounds but never selected or questioned.
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dtribby
Kicking a 30-month-old post?

But it's great to know the CA has a system that registers every single firearm purchased in the state. How did they get the gang-bangers to agree to that? Or the private sellers? Or the black marketeers? And since every single firearm that resides in the state also happened to be purchased in the state, I think it's wonderful there aren't any untracked firearms running around over there. Getting a handle on gun crime ought to be a cinch now!

And also think it's wonderful that the ever-gracious residents of the Great State of California are so willing to overlook the lives of their family members who are killed by people who simply happen to have a disease, and through no fault of their own, drank themselves silly and got behind the wheel of a car. I don't know of any other state with such a compassionate and merciful citizenry that their only concern in such cases is to make sure that the poor soul who suffers from alcoholism gets the help they need. I am humbled by their generosity and a bit ashamed that my Texas countrymen lock those people up for such a long time for something that just wasn't their fault.
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squishy
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But it's great to know the CA has a system that registers every single firearm purchased in the state.



It's a federal registration...
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squishy
And drinking and driving is quite different than being an alcoholic, one is a choice, the other is a disease....Are you equating them? Are you saying all alcoholics drive drunk and kill people, seems like it...and that's kind of a ridiculous assertion...
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dtribby
Then why is MY handgun not registered? NONE of the firearms I own are registered with ANYBODY. I had to go through a background check, yes, but even that is a minor exercise when I already have a concealed-carry permit. But no FEDERAL registration of anykind exists here. Our own president (or his spokespeople) have even said that none of the gun-control measures he wanted (before moving on the the NEXT distraction from Benghazi and he "scandal" of the week) would impose any kind of national gun registry. I don't believe him, but he made an effort to at least say it, so I bring it up in this venue.

watch it all, or skip to 1:15:
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dtribby
Let me be clear - (I love that phrase!) My only quarrel is with drunk drivers. But using the "disease" as any kind of excuse for careless actions or light sentences is ludricrous. Whether or not chemical dependency should really be classified as a disease is another argument entirely. Even having a genetic predisposition towards a certain activity doesn't mean that anyone has to act on it. Does the child of an alcoholic HAVE to take a drink at some point?
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squishy
Point me to someone in california or a law in California that excuses drunk drivers because they are alcoholic...

I do agree that the classification of a disease, such as obese or alcoholic is a poor excuse for the label next to cancer and HIV, they are nonetheless diseases. Physical addiction is a pretty clear disease, as are thyroid issues, but issues with over drinking and overeating are not. I will defer to the medical experts on this subject, I am not a doctor.

But I do know that not all alcoholics drive drunk and I know that not all drunk drivers are alcoholics...I am smart enough to make that clear distinction, to transcend it and make it apart of my thought process so I do not make gross assumptions or generalizations as you have.

The introduction of programs to treat diseases such as alcoholics and even the mentally ill homeless has led to steep declines in those types of problems in this state. Such programs keep the state functioning. It is the 4th largest economy in the world, it is it's own country and so populous and diverse that it needs special laws and programs to function. If you don't understand it, that's fine, just say so, but don't make gross uneducated assumptions and talk trash about a state you do not even live in. If I were you I would do research if the subject interests you this much.
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